Reefers Cafe Forums  

Register Donate FAQ Members List Calendar Arcade Gallery iTrader Sponsors Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reef Discussion forum for general reef discussion.


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 04-07-2008, 11:38 AM   #1 (permalink)
Creepy Monster Moderator
 
Psychographic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: In a Box, under the Overpass, but it has a Reeftank
Posts: 1,413
Default Salt comparison/analysist

I thought this would be usefull for those looking to compare the levels of different brands of salt.
Attached Files
File Type: pdf Aquarium Salt Analysis.pdf (471.9 KB, 57 views)
__________________
Don't read this. What did I just tell you?
iTrader: (1)
Psychographic is online now  
Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2008, 04:47 PM   #2 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
SulfurAcid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Miami, Florida
Posts: 633
Default

the amount of ammonia in the seachem mixture is alarming, but this is a great find
iTrader: (0)
SulfurAcid is online now  
Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2008, 06:30 PM   #3 (permalink)
Illustrator
 
Deepwater's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Brooklyn
Posts: 4,999
Default

thanks fir the link , good info !
__________________
Reading this may cause you brain damage , please use caution
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
iTrader: (3)
Deepwater is online now  
Reply With Quote
Old 05-17-2008, 06:38 PM   #4 (permalink)
Member
 
Jay4Robin's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Downingtown PA
Posts: 38
Default

Great info. It also reminds me that I need glasses. My eyes are bad. LOL
__________________
Vice President
Delaware Valley Reef Club
Delvalreefclub.org
iTrader: (0)
Jay4Robin is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 05-22-2008, 10:10 AM   #5 (permalink)
Nano Architect
 
mynd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: New Jersey, 07092
Posts: 664
Default

I don't care what it says about ammonia.. I have none.. 0



Just so you know the freshwater and saltwater cards are the same Before anyone decided to make a comment about that.
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Experience: 16 Years Salt Water

Last edited by mynd; 05-22-2008 at 10:50 AM.
iTrader: (0)
mynd is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 05-22-2008, 10:22 AM   #6 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Union, NJ
Posts: 317
Default

The ammonia was high on seachem, but it was lowest (or same) on nitrates + nitrite.......
iTrader: (0)
Breakin Newz is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 05-22-2008, 11:34 AM   #7 (permalink)
Creepy Monster Moderator
 
Psychographic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: In a Box, under the Overpass, but it has a Reeftank
Posts: 1,413
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mynd View Post
I don't care what it says about ammonia.. I have none.. 0



Just so you know the freshwater and saltwater cards are the same Before anyone decided to make a comment about that.
Do you really think the people that did this comparison where using the cheap test kits we rely on? I'm sure a reading of .039 is going to read 0 on the kit you have in your pic.
__________________
Don't read this. What did I just tell you?
iTrader: (1)
Psychographic is online now  
Reply With Quote
Old 05-22-2008, 11:42 AM   #8 (permalink)
Nano Architect
 
mynd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: New Jersey, 07092
Posts: 664
Default

True, but as far as I am concerned and the tank. It's 0. So what does that chart really prove? It is providing a result that has no bearing on anything, but has been brought to the attention of people as a bad thing. Thus, people will decide to not purchase it as a result. Which is silly. I am just trying to set the record straight here.

Seachem Reef Salt is an amazing salt. Great numbers across the board where they matter. High PH, High Calcium, High Magnesium, High DKH out of the bag. It is a great salt and should not be ( not considered ) cause someone thinks the ammonia is too high. That is just silly.

Not disrespecting your opinion, but I just don't see the downside of the salt.
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Experience: 16 Years Salt Water
iTrader: (0)
mynd is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 05-22-2008, 11:58 AM   #9 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
mheaven's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Clifton, NJ
Posts: 348
Default

I use Tropic Marin Pro Reef and as far as the amonia, i read at .05 I like this salt, I have not had a problem with it. I just dont like the price. I think i may try out the seachem reef salt when i run out of the Tropic Marin. Just my $.02
__________________
Dec.07 Oceanic 33g Cube w/29g fuge & 29g sump custom made. Custom made stand & canopy. 250w HQI MH w/2 24w T5 HO Actinics. MTC 250 Skimmer, 25w Aquavue UV, OM 4way, MRC CR2 Calcium Reactor, Coralife 1/6 HP Chiller,Carbon Reactor. Iwaki MD70RLT Return Pump that runns all equipment mentioned above, except Skimmer powered by Little Giant 3-MDQX-SC. As for live stock look at post.
iTrader: (0)
mheaven is online now  
Reply With Quote
Old 05-22-2008, 05:48 PM   #10 (permalink)
Illustrator
 
Deepwater's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Brooklyn
Posts: 4,999
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mynd View Post
I don't care what it says about ammonia.. I have none.. 0


Just so you know the freshwater and saltwater cards are the same Before anyone decided to make a comment about that.
Do you test for Phosphates , and if so please tell what test kit you are using and what the readings are and post them here if you can.
Then if you can use a hanna meter to test the PO4 in your tank , see you get the same reading.


Quote:
True, but as far as I am concerned and the tank
that is all the should matter

Quote:
. It's 0. So what does that chart really prove? It is providing a result that has no bearing on anything, but has been brought to the attention of people as a bad thing. Thus, people will decide to not purchase it as a result. Which is silly. I am just trying to set the record straight here.
Not true at all ! we hobbyist have a right to know what the salt has or doesnt have it in. good or bad. Heck we pay for to keep our tanks alive.

also i dont think it or us have ANY effect in buying an item or selling an item. IO salt has been bashed so many times , yet everyone buys it. Vortech still has problems with units , and ppl still but it. and the list gos on.
Quote:
Seachem Reef Salt is an amazing salt. Great numbers across the board where they matter. High PH, High Calcium, High Magnesium, High DKH out of the bag. It is a great salt and should not be ( not considered ) cause someone thinks the ammonia is too high. That is just silly.
If its silly for one person to say the salt has ammonia , Whouldnt it be just as silly that one person love the salt eyes:

I have to agree with Psycho on the test kits , they stinks *the ones we use* hanne meters and the ones that tested all the salts didnt use salifert test kits. i would think you can compare tests when using the SAME kits or machines , no ?

JMO ---
__________________
Reading this may cause you brain damage , please use caution
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
iTrader: (3)
Deepwater is online now  
Reply With Quote
Old 05-22-2008, 09:24 PM   #11 (permalink)
Illustrator
 
Deepwater's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Brooklyn
Posts: 4,999
Default

why does most of the salt have copper in it , even a trace of it i thought was no good ? I hear ppl saying all the time , dont use a tank that had or used copper in it. yet the salt we buy have copper.
__________________
Reading this may cause you brain damage , please use caution
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
iTrader: (3)
Deepwater is online now  
Reply With Quote
Old 05-22-2008, 09:31 PM   #12 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
rbtwo4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: QuEeNz JH
Posts: 1,391
Default

i switched salts from reef crystals to seachem reef and noticed a BIG difference in my corals they dont look the same they actually look a little worse. once i switched salts my zoo's closed up some died and some are still closed up. my orange digitata isnt as bright as it once was and yet all my readings are fine. it was either the salt or the phos remover crap i put in my tank that put my corals into "shock" someone one told me that tanks HIGH in nutrients make some corals look better then in a tank with no nutrtients. so is dirty water better for some corals? oh and the reason why i switched salts was to rid my tank of phosphates as most studies said reef crystals had phosphates in them and seachem reef didnt and being that mynd said it was a good salt and other people too that is why i switched. not that i regret it cus anything with phosphates in it i dont want.
__________________
LeAdEr oF tHe "ReEfErS cAfE hItSqUaD"
iTrader: (3)
rbtwo4 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 05-22-2008, 09:40 PM   #13 (permalink)
Illustrator
 
Deepwater's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Brooklyn
Posts: 4,999
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by rbtwo4 View Post
i switched salts from reef crystals to seachem reef and noticed a BIG difference in my corals they dont look the same they actually look a little worse. once i switched salts my zoo's closed up some died and some are still closed up. my orange digitata isnt as bright as it once was and yet all my readings are fine. it was either the salt or the phos remover crap i put in my tank that put my corals into "shock" someone one told me that tanks HIGH in nutrients make some corals look better then in a tank with no nutrtients. so is dirty water better for some corals? oh and the reason why i switched salts was to rid my tank of phosphates as most studies said reef crystals had phosphates in them and seachem reef didnt and being that mynd said it was a good salt and other people too that is why i switched. not that i regret it cus anything with phosphates in it i dont want.
I switch to sea chem to tropic marin reef and back to sea chem , no problems.
If you have high po4 and reduce it fast , you can/may shock your corals and can or will cuz problems. same can happen with salt switch. I do a 5 gal WC every week for a month to get them use to the salt , other may do it diff , tha tis just me
__________________
Reading this may cause you brain damage , please use caution
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
iTrader: (3)
Deepwater is online now  
Reply With Quote
Old 05-22-2008, 09:42 PM   #14 (permalink)
Illustrator
 
Deepwater's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Brooklyn
Posts: 4,999
Default

thou i hear more problems reducing the po4 in the tank more then when ppl switch salts
__________________
Reading this may cause you brain damage , please use caution
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
iTrader: (3)
Deepwater is online now  
Reply With Quote
Old 05-22-2008, 10:05 PM   #15 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
rbtwo4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: QuEeNz JH
Posts: 1,391
Default

that may have been what i did wrong i have 3 different phos removers running at the same time lol
__________________
LeAdEr oF tHe "ReEfErS cAfE hItSqUaD"
iTrader: (3)
rbtwo4 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 05-22-2008, 10:07 PM   #16 (permalink)
Illustrator
 
Deepwater's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Brooklyn
Posts: 4,999
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by rbtwo4 View Post
that may have been what i did wrong i have 3 different phos removers running at the same time lol
only 3 :nut
__________________
Reading this may cause you brain damage , please use caution
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
iTrader: (3)
Deepwater is online now  
Reply With Quote
Old 05-22-2008, 10:11 PM   #17 (permalink)
Creepy Monster Moderator
 
Psychographic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: In a Box, under the Overpass, but it has a Reeftank
Posts: 1,413
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Deepwater View Post
why does most of the salt have copper in it , even a trace of it i thought was no good ? I hear ppl saying all the time , dont use a tank that had or used copper in it. yet the salt we buy have copper.
I'm sure with all of the minerals and elements in the earth copper would be present in the ocean to a small degree. Don't forget, even in humans, many substances are safe, some even beneficial in small doses, but toxic in heavy doses.

I have been in so many discussions over tanks and copper, it is rediculous. Not ONCE has the opposing view to my beliefs that this is a myth come up with a single fact or proof, to prove me wrong.

Here is my belief.

You take a tank that has been treated with copper, then after the treatment, remove said copper with Polyfilters or whatever your preferred means. The so-called experts will tell you the silicone has absorbed the copper and it will leach out forever.

The copper that is "supposed" to be leaching from the silicone is NOT a renewable source, so if it leaches out into the water column, it should be removed by water changes.

As I said, not one person on the opposing side of this debate has ever given any proof other than to say, "this or that died in my tank, and it had copper in it at one time". I guess it is impossible to think anything other than copper could have been the cause of these deaths, as we all know, everything survives in our tanks forever, right?

When asked for proof on my end, I just have to send a pic of my tank, it has had copper in it on a couple of occasions and my corals, inverts and fish are all alive and well. I can even go one step further, I have old coral skeletons in my tank now that were previously in tanks treated with copper.
__________________
Don't read this. What did I just tell you?
iTrader: (1)
Psychographic is online now  
Reply With Quote
Old 05-22-2008, 10:18 PM   #18 (permalink)
Illustrator
 
Deepwater's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Brooklyn
Posts: 4,999
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychographic View Post
I just have to send a pic of my tank, it has had copper in it on a couple of occasions and my corals, inverts and fish are all alive and well. I can even go one step further, I have old coral skeletons in my tank now that were previously in tanks treated with copper.
dont tell anyone , i dont want o get banned . i did treat my tank once with copper when i had a FO tank with live rock. you didnt here it from me. and my tank ugly too. so
__________________
Reading this may cause you brain damage , please use caution
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
iTrader: (3)
Deepwater is online now  
Reply With Quote
Old 05-22-2008, 10:21 PM   #19 (permalink)
Illustrator
 
Deepwater's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Brooklyn
Posts: 4,999
Default

I did take out all the fish since they didnt make it , used tap water in the tank with the rock and sand for a week , kill everything but this blenny that had super powers. then ran Fresh RO water for a few days , added the salt all at once. use poly filters(i think i bought 15 of them ) and the super blenny was still alive
__________________
Reading this may cause you brain damage , please use caution
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
iTrader: (3)
Deepwater is online now  
Reply With Quote
Old 05-22-2008, 10:33 PM   #20 (permalink)
Creepy Monster Moderator
 
Psychographic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: In a Box, under the Overpass, but it has a Reeftank
Posts: 1,413
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by rbtwo4 View Post
someone one told me that tanks HIGH in nutrients make some corals look better then in a tank with no nutrtients. so is dirty water better for some corals?
Most soft corals and LPS thrive in high nutrient water.

As for your problems, I'd bet the farm you removed the PO4 to quickly. You need to bring it down at a moderate pace. Once you get it down, DO NOT let the GFO get exhausted before replacing it, it is better to replace the media sooner than later as if your PO4 starts to rise before you change the GFO, it will only strip it out quickly, again repeating the same results you just had.
__________________
Don't read this. What did I just tell you?
iTrader: (1)
Psychographic is online now  
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On
Forum Jump