My 180g Mess... - Page 11

tunicata · 05-14-2008, 05:04 PM

oh! Wait, Awi, are you thinking that I was saying calling them frags/little people is offensive/bad??

No no, I'm seeing it as a way that coral has completely taken over every aspect of our lives and I'm happy about it. So 'bad' in a funny, has coral/the hobby become such an addiction (my friends already think I'm crazy kinda of thing)

see

big smile

Reefer4life · 05-14-2008, 05:12 PM

tuni, remember I'm old, and definitely not "with it", or what ever it is called these days.ROFLMAO

**Deepwater** · 05-14-2008, 08:42 PM

you are a good father i dont care if anyone say other wise

lol

Awesome pic , and beautiful frag !

Quote:

Originally Posted by PnoyReefeR

Thanks Mynd,kenny and Ro...

Here is my older Frag and her 1st pony Ride

**PnoyReefeR** · 05-14-2008, 10:42 PM

Thank you guys .. They can't wait to see you guys on the 8th

GrkNyer · 05-15-2008, 01:08 AM

Steve thanks for the pics. Your kids are beautiful! Man do they get big fast. It was like yesterday your son was born. He's about three months now right?
I have two daughters 2yrs old and 1 yr old so I know you know what having no time for anything means which I know I speak on behalf of everybody when I say thanks for having this little swap at your place during this time.

**PnoyReefeR** · 05-15-2008, 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrkNyer

Steve thanks for the pics. Your kids are beautiful! Man do they get big fast. It was like yesterday your son was born. He's about three months now right?
I have two daughters 2yrs old and 1 yr old so I know you know what having no time for anything means which I know I speak on behalf of everybody when I say thanks for having this little swap at your place during this time.

Yes they grow fast

... Harry I always offer my house to anybody in this hobby . I am just glad that people made time to make it to my house...

**PnoyReefeR** · 05-22-2008, 08:11 AM

Just to update my tank thread... 3 days ago I have seen my Acans and chalices showing some skeleton . I checked my parameters and found that my alk went down to 6 . I slowly raised my dosing using LM III and within a day it went to 7. Lastnight when I checked all my sps are fine and Calcium was 440 ALk 7.8 . This morning I went to check and Oh my... My colony of Granulosa half of them bleeched overnight. I went to inspect all my SPS and that is the only one that got affected with the sudden drop/Change. Well sometimes sh!t happens....

mynd · 05-22-2008, 08:21 AM

@Pnoy, An ALK of 8 is not good. You need to raise it to a number between 10 and 12. Alkalinity is created by carbonate and borate alkalinity. Borate alkalinity comprises about 2.8 DKH of total DKH at any given time. If you have a total DKH of 8, that means your carbonate ALK is 5.2 and is way too low. You want to get your total ALK up to about a 12 so that your Carbonate ALK is about a 10 or a 3.3 meql.

That would mean that you need your tank to have a 4.3 meql ( depending on your kit ) at all times or a 12 DKH.

DKH test kits test for total ALK and do not consider borate alk, which is not contributing to Carbonate ALK ( which is needed to skeletal growth and coralline growth in your tank.

I suggest using a seachem reefstatus magnesium test kit ( which includes alk ) as it gives you the best ( IMO ) understanding of alk levels in your tank.

**PnoyReefeR** · 05-22-2008, 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mynd

@Pnoy, An ALK of 8 is not good. You need to raise it to a number between 10 and 12. Alkalinity is created by carbonate and borate alkalinity. Borate alkalinity comprises about 2.8 DKH of total DKH at any given time. If you have a total DKH of 8, that means your carbonate ALK is 5.2 and is way too low. You want to get your total ALK up to about a 12 so that your Carbonate ALK is about a 10 or a 3.3 meql.

That would mean that you need your tank to have a 4.3 meql ( depending on your kit ) at all times or a 12 DKH.

DKH test kits test for total ALK and do not consider borate alk, which is not contributing to Carbonate ALK ( which is needed to skeletal growth and coralline growth in your tank.

I suggest using a seachem reefstatus magnesium test kit ( which includes alk ) as it gives you the best ( IMO ) understanding of alk levels in your tank.

Steven I run my tank for 2 yrs with an ALk bet 8-9dkh 2.86/ 3.20meqL and never had problems at all. I just up'ed my dosing slowly so I will not get all my SPS in shocked with the sudden drop and sudden up ( back to 9) . I just ordered the MAG test kit and hopefully I wil lhave it by tomorrow.

mynd · 05-22-2008, 08:37 AM

I am glad that you have not had any problems. I am more interested in the tank being optimal so that growth and health are optimal. I was not putting down your tank parameters as we all know your corals are insane. What I am saying is this. I don't think it was the dosing that caused the problem. I think it was the low alk that may have. If you kept your tank at 12 DKH or 4.3meq/l you would never have a drop to 6 ever again and chances are that the lowest it would get would be around 9-10 unless you forgot or just stopped checking. At least at a 9-10 you are still pretty optimal and the corals would not be affected as much as they are at a 6.

My response was given with the best intentions. Just a suggestion for the master.

**PnoyReefeR** · 05-22-2008, 08:42 AM

Thanks for your input steven and appreciate you taking time to respond. Yes the cause of the tissue loss and rapid bleaching was due to ALK. I am trying to fix it and yes will probably try to raised it to 10 but will take it slow. I am just glad that only 1 sps suffered and that is a given that "Deepwater Acros" always react to a sudden change. I will update with pics tonight...

**PnoyReefeR** · 05-22-2008, 06:08 PM

Well came home and my Colony od Deepwater Granulosa is half way bleeched.. It hurts but life must move on....

Here are some pics that made me smile again

**PnoyReefeR** · 06-01-2008, 08:03 PM

Just some pics before I do water change

mattkd5 · 06-01-2008, 08:37 PM

Great Pics Steve

**twinreef** · 06-01-2008, 08:53 PM

very nice pics steve

**PnoyReefeR** · 06-01-2008, 10:52 PM

KennY- Thanks

Twin - Nothing compare to your photography Skillz...

Reefer4life · 06-02-2008, 07:40 AM

How in the world am I suppose to be content with my tank when you keep showing me all these beautifull animals that I never even knew existed?

**PnoyReefeR** · 06-02-2008, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reefer4life

How in the world am I suppose to be content with my tank when you keep showing me all these beautifull animals that I never even knew existed?

Thank you Awi .. only the pics that make them look nice trust me

**Deepwater** · 06-02-2008, 05:19 PM

Sweet sweet sweet , and the acan

breathe taken

**PnoyReefeR** · 06-06-2008, 02:43 PM

05-22-2008, 08:21 AM	#208 (permalink)
mynd Nano Architect Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: New Jersey, 07092 Posts: 661	@Pnoy, An ALK of 8 is not good. You need to raise it to a number between 10 and 12. Alkalinity is created by carbonate and borate alkalinity. Borate alkalinity comprises about 2.8 DKH of total DKH at any given time. If you have a total DKH of 8, that means your carbonate ALK is 5.2 and is way too low. You want to get your total ALK up to about a 12 so that your Carbonate ALK is about a 10 or a 3.3 meql. That would mean that you need your tank to have a 4.3 meql ( depending on your kit ) at all times or a 12 DKH. DKH test kits test for total ALK and do not consider borate alk, which is not contributing to Carbonate ALK ( which is needed to skeletal growth and coralline growth in your tank. I suggest using a seachem reefstatus magnesium test kit ( which includes alk ) as it gives you the best ( IMO ) understanding of alk levels in your tank. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Experience: 16 Years Salt Water

05-22-2008, 08:37 AM	#210 (permalink)
mynd Nano Architect Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: New Jersey, 07092 Posts: 661	I am glad that you have not had any problems. I am more interested in the tank being optimal so that growth and health are optimal. I was not putting down your tank parameters as we all know your corals are insane. What I am saying is this. I don't think it was the dosing that caused the problem. I think it was the low alk that may have. If you kept your tank at 12 DKH or 4.3meq/l you would never have a drop to 6 ever again and chances are that the lowest it would get would be around 9-10 unless you forgot or just stopped checking. At least at a 9-10 you are still pretty optimal and the corals would not be affected as much as they are at a 6. My response was given with the best intentions. Just a suggestion for the master. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Experience: 16 Years Salt Water

06-02-2008, 05:19 PM	#219 (permalink)
Deepwater Illustrator Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 4,877	Sweet sweet sweet , and the acan breathe taken __________________ Reading this may cause you brain damage , please use caution To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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05-14-2008, 05:04 PM	#201 (permalink)
tunicata Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 201	oh! Wait, Awi, are you thinking that I was saying calling them frags/little people is offensive/bad?? No no, I'm seeing it as a way that coral has completely taken over every aspect of our lives and I'm happy about it. So 'bad' in a funny, has coral/the hobby become such an addiction (my friends already think I'm crazy kinda of thing) see big smile

05-14-2008, 05:12 PM	#202 (permalink)
Reefer4life Premium Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 1,023	tuni, remember I'm old, and definitely not "with it", or what ever it is called these days.ROFLMAO

05-14-2008, 10:42 PM	#204 (permalink)
PnoyReefeR Hated by some-Loved by all ! Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 1,145	Thank you guys .. They can't wait to see you guys on the 8th

05-15-2008, 01:08 AM	#205 (permalink)
GrkNyer Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Staten Island Posts: 456	Steve thanks for the pics. Your kids are beautiful! Man do they get big fast. It was like yesterday your son was born. He's about three months now right? I have two daughters 2yrs old and 1 yr old so I know you know what having no time for anything means which I know I speak on behalf of everybody when I say thanks for having this little swap at your place during this time.

05-22-2008, 08:11 AM	#207 (permalink)
PnoyReefeR Hated by some-Loved by all ! Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 1,145	Just to update my tank thread... 3 days ago I have seen my Acans and chalices showing some skeleton . I checked my parameters and found that my alk went down to 6 . I slowly raised my dosing using LM III and within a day it went to 7. Lastnight when I checked all my sps are fine and Calcium was 440 ALk 7.8 . This morning I went to check and Oh my... My colony of Granulosa half of them bleeched overnight. I went to inspect all my SPS and that is the only one that got affected with the sudden drop/Change. Well sometimes sh!t happens....

05-22-2008, 08:42 AM	#211 (permalink)
PnoyReefeR Hated by some-Loved by all ! Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 1,145	Thanks for your input steven and appreciate you taking time to respond. Yes the cause of the tissue loss and rapid bleaching was due to ALK. I am trying to fix it and yes will probably try to raised it to 10 but will take it slow. I am just glad that only 1 sps suffered and that is a given that "Deepwater Acros" always react to a sudden change. I will update with pics tonight...

05-22-2008, 06:08 PM	#212 (permalink)
PnoyReefeR Hated by some-Loved by all ! Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 1,145	Well came home and my Colony od Deepwater Granulosa is half way bleeched.. It hurts but life must move on.... Here are some pics that made me smile again

06-01-2008, 08:03 PM	#213 (permalink)
PnoyReefeR Hated by some-Loved by all ! Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 1,145	Just some pics before I do water change

06-01-2008, 08:37 PM	#214 (permalink)
mattkd5 Premium Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: ROCKAWAY NJ Posts: 304	Great Pics Steve

06-01-2008, 08:53 PM	#215 (permalink)
twinreef Administrator Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: NYC Posts: 624	very nice pics steve

06-01-2008, 10:52 PM	#216 (permalink)
PnoyReefeR Hated by some-Loved by all ! Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 1,145	KennY- Thanks Twin - Nothing compare to your photography Skillz...

06-02-2008, 07:40 AM	#217 (permalink)
Reefer4life Premium Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 1,023	How in the world am I suppose to be content with my tank when you keep showing me all these beautifull animals that I never even knew existed?

06-06-2008, 02:43 PM	#220 (permalink)
PnoyReefeR Hated by some-Loved by all ! Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 1,145